WGAE & WGAW Members Vote Tuesday Whether To End Strike (As TV Show Runners Went Back To Work Monday)

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  1. Here is how WGA got played. Chernin predicted it last Nov… and he still has NM MFN in his pocket today.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-executives11feb11,0,100109.story

    This deal is NOT good enough. Period. It may be time to recalculate the Power Showrunners have with WGA.

    Remember it was a Showrunner who hosed WGA Members out of a fair DVD Residual in the first place in order to get HIS show back on the air. John Wells, thank you.

    For a DVD which sells for $20, Studios take an average 1100 cents. Content Creators/Writers receive 4 cents.

    And still do after this deal.

    Not worth the 2 billion it cost this Industry and the pain of the BTLs.

    I read an interesting post in UH. I forget who it was but it kind of made sense to me.

    Maybe our best option is to

    Vote YES for lifting the Strike

    Vote NO on the Contract.

    This will keep our fingers back on the trigger… and maybe we can get our leverage back to negotiate a fair deal. Address DVDs, Capped Residuals, Cable Writers, MFN with SAG, etc.

    Comment by underabus — February 11, 2008 @ 3:02 pm

  2. I agree. There is nothing good in this deal but jurisdiction. Yes on lifting the strike. No on contract. Come at this from a different angle. Voting no on the deal will force them to revisit it.

    Comment by Troubledbythis — February 11, 2008 @ 3:41 pm

  3. This will keep our fingers back on the trigger… and maybe we can get our leverage back to negotiate a fair deal.

    Hilarious!

    Thanks for the laughs today, underabus.

    Comment by Riding the bus — February 11, 2008 @ 3:48 pm

  4. As a hopeful, aspiring screenwriter (and future WGA member), I’m utterly shocked and dismayed at the way the WGA board folded (so quickly — almost out of nowhere — I still can’t believe it happened), and somehow convinced its members to give up their just fight for fair earnings. You proponents who laud this current deal speak of gaining a “foot in the door” and “a toehold” in new media. Since you’re writers in visual mediums, imagine a person standing outside in the cold with one foot in the door of a warm room where the action (and money is made). Do you think that’s a tenable position from which to bargain on what’s going on inside? More likely, that’s how you get a door slammed in your face and you freeze. What’s happened to your self-respect WGA? Don’t you belong in that room? Of course you do! The money in there was earned from your ideas! You are about to settle for a deal (and I use that word loosely, since WGA negotiators dictated virtually none of its terms — it’s the DGA burger with cheese) that completely fails to honor your stated reasons for striking. To be pressured into accepting this deal to save the Oscars is an absolute embarrassment.

    On November 5th, 2007, WGA members proudly stood up for themselves and their talents in order to get a fair deal, right? Remember the notion of a fair deal? The WGA did the math, which showed how reasonable their demands were and how little it would actually cost the companies to meet them. Every WGA member agreed with those numbers wholeheartedly. Now, cut to the current praise of this so-called “deal” and the strike’s overall merit. I don’t recall winning public support or the PR battle as being on the WGA list of reasons for striking. So while it’s wonderful to have the public’s support, and to author all those clever videos in the face of clear, economic injustice, that’s not a victory. There are so many flaws and holes in this deal that you can’t possibly say this is what the WGA membership wanted. Since that’s clearly true, why give up now? Okay, you’re exhausted. But the cavalry, otherwise known as SAG, is coming soon! When they strike in June (and prepare to walk in March), SAG’s 120,000 members will flood the pickets, and you’ll be able to rest those weary striking feet.

    There is still time to vote against this contract which may ruin the ability for many current and future writers (not on the A-list) to earn a living. When bargaining, who in their right mind takes the other side’s first offer? It’s never the best one, that’s common sense! The AMPTP began this negotiation with rollback discussions. So the WGA negotiators brought them back to zero, and that’s where you want to settle because it’s not less than zero? Please, please wake up writers, creators, WGA members. You have so much passion for what you write and create. It’s a craft that takes decades of a lifetime to develop. You deserve so much more than these crumbs. You’ve already risked a lot these past months, and there has been wide collateral damage. Please don’t let your brave labor stand and the resulting losses amount to nothing. Why are you giving up? Look at that past and what the VHS and cable deals meant, and understand that by voting “yes” on this contract, you’re voting to allow a potentially worse situation with the internet. The WGA couldn’t advance those failed “new media” deals in the past, and you’ll be stuck with this one too. Learn from your history and don’t repeat those crucial mistakes. Again, why did you strike? Not for this deal. Go re-watch the “Why we’re striking videos.” This deal ain’t nearly enough. Get in the room! Not just with a foot, but with your head, torso, arms, and legs too! You are so close now, and on the verge of having SAG’s full numbers striking at your side. You’re in a real position to change what the earning potential of writing can be, which is what you so rightly deserve! Don’t give up. It makes no sense to simply go back to work with no significant monetary gains after all this!

    How can your leaders swallow the first and only offer on the table? Don’t be bullied into accepting it. Won’t you be ashamed looking back if this deal screws the WGA’s future, and you sadly acknowledge that this strike was resolved prematurely because of the WGA’s fear to hang tough when your courage mattered most? If the AMPTP removes their current offer, they’ll come back to the table, I promise you. There are billions of dollars at stake here. They’ll be back, and with better terms! It’s standard business for them, straight from their playbook. If you vote “no” on this deal, they’ll most likely come back with better terms this very week to save their precious Oscars millions and advertising deals.

    Be strong WGA! Don’t quit on yourselves. You have so much passion which inspires you to write. It’s a difficult, demanding profession, which those who don’t write can rarely understand or gauge in value. Don’t sell yourselves short like this when you’ve come so far the past four months. This deal is currently written like a sieve, and you better believe the companies will use the holes. Yes, of course people want to get back to work. No one wants to strike, but the action has to serve its purpose. It hasn’t yet. Yes, the town has suffered, and it’s awful. Yes, people are tired and have lost money and are struggling. Therefore, please make those losses count for something truly meaningful. What matters more to you, the next few months or the next twenty years? SAG is going to increase the DVD residuals rate and knock that 17 day window down to size. Get your favored nations clause in writing for new media and DVD. Stand together now, and you’ll be bolstered by SAG’s full numbers and energy. Anyone touting this as a fair and just deal has a monetary or personal agenda that isn’t in a working writer’s best interests. It can’t be otherwise. The deal is flawed with loopholes galore, and it’s so obvious. It’s as if people think merely returning to work is what makes this a good deal. That’s not why you went on strike!

    WGA members, you should be entitled to a fair amount of money for the billions of dollars being earned from your work. Please remember that, and think of the future generations of writers who will be stuck with this deal. Tell your leaders to keep negotiating. Let them start over if the bratty-bully AMPTP jerks this deal back off the table. They’ll come back! They can’t afford not to. WGA, take a breath, be patient, and continue the journey you started until you have your fair deal. Take a month off from picketing if you need it! Take two months, whatever! If necessary, seek other paying avenues as writers or work for the companies that signed the WGA interim agreements. More and more studios will keep signing them. Give it a chance. Do whatever’s necessary to maintain your stand. This deal isn’t worthy of your talent, your strike, and may destroy your professional future. What if it’s true that ratifying this deal is a greater risk than turning it down?

    With all due respect to our nation’s heroic soldiers, let’s compare this WGA vote to those in Congress who voted “yes” to go to war in Iraq with flawed information. What sane members of Congress wouldn’t take back their historically bad “yes” vote, and change their vote to “no,” wishing they might have stood firmly at a time when the ground shook and people were panicking under pressure. That will likely be your fate with this vote. Please continue to stand up for yourselves WGA. This may be the last chance you’ll have to win what you so rightfully deserve and be taken seriously. Don’t waste this great opportunity…

    Comment by Damon, future screenwriter — February 11, 2008 @ 3:54 pm

  5. “This deal is NOT good enough. Period. It may be time to recalculate the Power Showrunners have with WGA.”

    It may time for the rank and file to recalculate what Showrunners do for the guild.

    ‘Underabus’ is typical of the little anonymous weasels that have ripped this town apart for the last year and got us all into this kind of trouble in the first place. If you can’t attach your name to a comment in time like these it’s best not to make it.

    Mike Binder

    Comment by mike binder — February 11, 2008 @ 3:54 pm

  6. I know there has been a lot of people crying “shill” on this site, but if you don’t believe me, look at the first comment that appears under this blogpost.

    Do you believe that a highly skilled, well paid professional writer would write a post that used “hosed” as a verb to describe a bad deal?

    Do you believe that same sort of concerned professional would post a comment that includes four sentence fragments and in two of his/her sentences the writer forgets to include ending punctuation entirely?

    If you’ve ever spent any time with real, persnickety writers you probably can’t imagine that they would rush off to post something this seemingly illiterate, about their writing contract.

    So, I can only conclude that this poster, and what seems to be a disturbing majority of the posters on here at this time, are part of some effort to try and persuade actual WGA members to ignore the wise counsel of the leaders who have done such a great job for us, and for future generations of writers.

    Either vote in person, or if you want to vote yes by proxy go to WGA.org and have Patric Verrone cast a yes vote in your name.

    Then have a nice glass of champagne–you’ve earned it and now you can once again afford it!

    Comment by WGA WRiter with Business Sense — February 11, 2008 @ 3:56 pm

  7. “This deal is NOT good enough. Period. It may be time to recalculate the Power Showrunners have with WGA.”

    It may be time for the rank and file to recalculate what Showrunners do for the guild. Or better yet, time for Showrunners to recalculate what the guild does for them.

    ‘Underabus’ is typical of the little anonymous weasels that have ripped this town apart for the last year and got us all into this kind of trouble in the first place. If you can’t attach your name to a comment in time like these it’s best not to make it.

    Mike Binder

    Comment by Mike Binder — February 11, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

  8. Ok, so are we supposed to strike until we get every single thing that’s on our wishlist? Sometimes a choice has to be made in terms of a cost/benefit analysis. Keep in mind, the writers are only human. Voting Yes on lifting the strike and No on the contract will only make the guild stumble over its own feet. We would be perceived as fickle and we’d lose all public sympathy. It’s a terrible idea and should not be trumpeted. If you don’t want to lift the strike vote No, but I hope you have a second income of A LOT of money in the bank.

    Comment by realist — February 11, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

  9. I agree. Lift the strike, vote no on the contract and use June 30 as a rather convenient deadline to force a better deal, or we’ll pull the trigger. Only this time, we’ll have the cavalry ride in from SAG with their own gun…and itchy trigger finger.

    Comment by whatmeworry — February 11, 2008 @ 4:05 pm

  10. I don’t care what happens, as long as the strike is over!
    I wish the writers would stop referring to the BTL’s as if they gave a shit about us. They didn’t before, and they don’t now.

    Enough already!

    Comment by Enough already! — February 11, 2008 @ 4:28 pm

  11. The Golden Globes were cancelled because performers wouldn’t cross a picket line. The Grammys were granted a waiver because it became clear those performers would. In neither case did it have anything whatsoever to do with writers withholding their labor. They would have happily produced both awards shows without our participation.

    In these instances, we’ve been entirely irrelevant to our own job action. Do people still not fully appreciate this?

    The Oscars will now go on regardless. With a deal that leadership finds acceptable, performers would take the view that if the membership were so foolish as to vote it down, why should they feel honor-bound to sacrifice the biggest night of their careers. They would blithely cross any picket line and the show would go on.

    There are realities to wake up to for many of you out there.

    Comment by dumbfounded — February 11, 2008 @ 4:38 pm

  12. “Yes” on lifting the strike and “No” on the contract.
    Now that’s having it both ways.

    I can’t get enough of you guys.

    Comment by BTL,Studio Shill,Toadie — February 11, 2008 @ 5:10 pm

  13. I couldn’t have written it any better myself, Damon…

    Touche!

    WGA shut hollywood down to get this deal? I’m flabbergasted…

    Comment by Chris — February 11, 2008 @ 5:39 pm

  14. I completely agree. This deal blows. If this is what we were striking for, we should not have gone on strike in the first place. Absolutely pathetic…

    Comment by brianmanzella — February 11, 2008 @ 5:54 pm

  15. Why do people keep saying this or that about losing public sympathy? Who gives a shit about public sympathy? It means nothing. I’ll take leverage over public sympathy any day, and the person with that is the one who wins, not the one with public sympathy.

    If the public really cared, they could have shut off their TV’s and given the networks zero ratings. If the public really cared about buying American, they wouldn’t run all over themselves to get to Walmart and buy Chinese made goods. The public doesn’t really give a shit, and who cares if they do?

    So enough of the losing public sympathy. The moguls never had it and it didn’t affect them one bit. They cared more about leverage, which is a helluva lot more important that sympathy.

    Comment by Greg — February 11, 2008 @ 6:37 pm

  16. As a writer who has been following this strike closely as well as all the comments on this site, I’ve learned one thing about WGA members:

    You all hate each other.

    Showrunners hate working and non-working writers because they’re not as lucky, oops, I mean successful as they are (Just read the comment by that egomaniacal JLEVY guy in the prior post).

    Working writers hate and laugh at non-working writers because they’re not working.

    Non-working writers hate and loath working writers because they ARE working.

    You hate the producers.

    You hate actors.

    Half of you hate the WGA leadership. The other half hates the half that hates the WGA leadership.

    You all hated the studios so you called a strike.

    You hated the strike.

    You hated the people asking to end the strike.

    You hate the contract you were offered.

    You voted to ratify it and you hate that.

    You hate the people who didn’t vote to ratify it.

    You’ll spend the next three years hating the shitty contract you didn’t have to ratify but did anyway.

    In short, you guys hate everything.

    I’m signing my real name (which is more than 99% of you sniveling gutless weasels ever do) so you can hate me also. Oh, and JLEVY, whatever TV show you so proudly run, please blackball me and stick your show up your ass.

    Comment by tom reynolds — February 11, 2008 @ 7:45 pm

  17. Just throwing this out there…

    “The guild made a mistake in dropping demands for a higher cut of DVD sales in order to gain a percent of Internet revenue” said Jonathan Handel, an entertainment attorney with TroyGould in Los Angeles, who is a former associate counsel for the union. He wasn’t involved in the talks.

    “DVD business is a $16 billion business that is not going to suddenly evaporate,’ Handel said in an interview yesterday. “Meanwhile the Internet business is far smaller. That’s a lot of money being left on the table.”

    Source - Bloomberg

    But even some on the labor side still question the timing of the WGA strike, five days after expiration of its last contract.

    “I believe they made a mistake striking now,” said John McLean, executive director at the WGAW from 1999-2006. “They would have been better off waiting and striking with SAG in the summer.”

    Source - THR

    Comment by anon — February 11, 2008 @ 8:12 pm

  18. I’d bet anyone that 90% of the people pleading against this deal either don’t have a dog in this fight, or haven’t worked in years and get a little side income off residuals. That’s why they’re anonymous, Mike…if people looked them up on IMDB they’d probably laugh.

    I’m just happy their time is coming to an end and everyone’s going back to work.

    Comment by tv editor — February 11, 2008 @ 8:19 pm

  19. Dearest Damon Aspiring Screenwriter,

    The first thing you will need to learn in your chosen profession is to leave them wanting more.

    Never forget that writing is rewriting and brevity is the soul of wit.

    Thank God you actually don’t have a vote in this.

    Comment by WGA WRiter with Business Sense — February 11, 2008 @ 8:29 pm

  20. We got a reasonable and practical deal from our reasonable and practical leadership. It wasn’t the best deal of all time but it’s by far the best the WGA has ever gotten from the studios, and is especially impressive given how consolidated and powerful the studios are these days as compared to in the past.

    Bravo Patrick Varrone, David Young, and John Bowman!

    I can’t wait to vote to approve the deal I’m proud to have fought for. Proud that we’ve allowed the profession of Hollywood writer to continue for generations (plus, thanks to our efforts I’ll be able to retire one day and have a pension and health insurance.)

    And, of course, I can’t wait to end the strike tomorrow night and get all the below-the-line people in town back to work as fast as possible, so they can do their incredible work, without which my scripts could never become a reality.

    Comment by George Glass — February 11, 2008 @ 8:56 pm

  21. Underabus and Troubled by This:

    On a purely “big picture” level, you may have some valid points to your arguements. But it’s time to be pratical. This thing has run it’s course and nothing more is going to be gained by raging against the machine. I have to agree with Mr. Binder, posting anonymous, rabble rousing diatribes at the eleventh hour serves no purpose. Unless you choose to make yourself known and thereby lend your arguements some weight, you really need to let the adults take over. Honestly, what is your endgame here? You’re going to vote to lift the strike so you can “punish” the producers by voting down the contract? Childish doesn’t begin to describe that philosophy. It’s been the opinion of a lot of people that many of the comment posters here are just a very fringe element of the guild. Your comments have only solidifed that point of view for me.

    Well, fight on sir! I sincerly doubt that anyone is seriously considering folowing your advice.

    Comment by Hoopersx — February 11, 2008 @ 9:34 pm

  22. This is what’s known as cognitive dissonance. Or in simpler terms, buyer’s remorse. Very clear now that the three months were a huge waste of time and energy and resulted in enormous loss of money for everyone. This deal is a band-aid at best. At worse it’s yet another longterm catastrophe deal like the ‘88 deal. But you are stuck with it. You praised your leaders when this began and now you are stuck with their lousy leadership. Although I would enjoy seeing the Yes/No split votes come in. That would show some serious wisdom and backbone which at this late date I doubt the majority of the guild has within them. So sad.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 11, 2008 @ 10:14 pm

  23. Do you believe that a highly skilled, well paid professional writer would write a post that used “hosed” as a verb to describe a bad deal?

    “highly-skilled, well-paid” (need hyphens, bro)

    Do you believe that same sort of concerned professional would post a comment that includes four sentence fragments and in two of his/her sentences the writer forgets to include ending punctuation entirely?

    Run-on. (Please add a comma after “fragments” and another after “sentences”.)

    If you’ve ever spent any time with real, persnickety writers you probably can’t imagine that they would rush off to post something this seemingly illiterate, about their writing contract.

    Missing comma after “writers”.

    Extra comma after “illiterate”.

    So, I can only conclude that this poster, and what seems to be a disturbing majority of the posters on here at this time, are part of some effort to try and persuade actual WGA members to ignore the wise counsel of the leaders who have done such a great job for us, and for future generations of writers.

    Style: (”So, “?!) O RLY?

    Extra comma after “us”. Please see me after class.

    Either vote in person, or if you want to vote yes by proxy go to WGA.org and have Patric Verrone cast a yes vote in your name.

    Missing comma after “proxy”.

    Then have a nice glass of champagne–you’ve earned it and now you can once again afford it!

    Run-on. Missing comma after “it”.

    In short–

    You, sir, are a dick. This proposed contract is extremely weak and has more holes than days you skipped in grade school English class. It is being shoved down our throats without appropriate discussion or outside analysis. The truck-sized flaws in this warmed-over DGA contract will become apparant very quickly– even to you, I’m afraid– if we’re foolish enough to approve it.

    I will vote “no” and “no”.

    And you miscapitalized your name, you dumbass.

    Fail.

    WGA Writer

    Comment by WGA Writer — February 11, 2008 @ 11:54 pm

  24. vote yes. this shit must over.

    Comment by amy — February 12, 2008 @ 12:06 am

  25. In any negotiation there is always compromise. I’m troubled by the seemingly militant wing of the WGA and their continued saber rattling. Too many people who actually make their living in this industry have been crippled by these belligerent malcontents, who won’t be satisfied with any deal. I fear that history will show the recklessness with which these people have charged into this fight completely unprepared. Why else would they have turned down the DGA’s offer to share their research on the financials many months ago, only to turn around in the 11th hour and ask to see this vital information?
    Please, in the name of every carpenter, grip, electrician, make-up, and hair person who is struggling to keep up with the bills (and who make a fraction of what you do) take a step in the right direction and vote to end this strike!

    Finally, I couldn’t agree more with Mr. Binder. This is the time to show some real courage.” Anonymous” ain’t gonna get it done. Step out into the light.

    Chad Lowe

    Comment by Chad Lowe — February 12, 2008 @ 12:11 am

  26. Dear Mike Binder,

    Glad to see you blaming “all the little anonymous weasels that have ripped this town apart for the last year and got us all into this kind of trouble in the first place” that shows great strength of character. You “got into trouble” because of people you don’t know. That makes it easy to blame “them” doesn’t it?

    Good to know that you were railroaded into striking by anonymous weasels on industry websites. Like a lemming you were forced over the cliff by the siren song of anonymous weasels posing as rabble-rousers.

    Verrone and Young led the charge. Those damn weasels who do they think they are in charge of the Weasels Guild of America. How dare they lead the great Mike Binder off a cliff?

    Sincerely,

    Chief Weasel in Charge of Binderology

    Comment by Anonymous — February 12, 2008 @ 12:40 am

  27. The moral is: do what you have to do to get back to work and save your houses, but figure out a way to sync the WGA up with the reality TV writers and, especially, the editors. There is nothing like locking up a show in an Avid to get people’s attention.

    Comment by a spouse — February 12, 2008 @ 6:20 am

  28. hey. wga WRITER.

    GOOD-job on the strike there buddy. Well see you out their picketing by your self after you VOTE no-no huh!

    haha funny.

    Comment by k3d — February 12, 2008 @ 7:24 am

  29. I have been sickened by the vitriol on these comment pages. Dissent is fine, to be encouraged in fact, but what passes for discussion on these pages is shameful. Reading them is like sitting next to the drunk at the end of the bar, who suddenly turns and begins ranting at the CNN broadcast on the television up in the corner. Some of the points he raises, I might agree with. I might be entertained by him at points. But he gets louder and just nasty for nasty’s sake. Inevitably, a line gets repeatedly crossed. A simple line of reasoned debate and common decency. To say nothing of common sense, in regard to the conspiracy theorists out there. We may not have gotten everything we wanted, but a lot was accomplished. I don’t want everyone hold hands and sing “Kumbaya”. I just want good people who disagree to stop embarassing themselves.

    Comment by MIKE MARTINEAU — February 12, 2008 @ 8:20 am

  30. WGA Writer,

    Your copy of Strunk and White is out of date, and clearly you’ve never published prose professionally, not in the last few decades at any rate.

    Your proposed use of commas would be considered by the average New York copy editor to be excessive at this time.

    It probably got you plenty of gold stars in English class “back in the day” (slang, but what the hell!) but would get you laughed out of a major publishing house today.

    But hey, thanks for the tips on the typos! If you get your way and the strike continues, I’ll be sure to brush up on my typist skills.

    However, my point about the amateur writing on here was made about screenwriters (who aren’t so concerned with old fashioned comma usage) not book writers and it’s still clear to me you work in neither field.

    But most importantly, you obviously are also neither a board member, a leader of the guild, an attorney hired by the guild, a member of the negotiating committee or a strike captain, all of whom have approved this deal and are voting for it.

    My random guess is that you also aren’t even in the WGA, and if you are, probably haven’t worked in years. Real, working professionals in the WGA ply their trade in a highly political art form where running around calling people “dicks” doesn’t tend to get you rehired with any regularity.

    I’m sure you’re grateful for those WGA “My Mother the Car” residuals that still come despite you having told those phillistines off when they dared to touch your genius dialogue.

    I thank God for small favors, like the fact that people like you are in the minority. You can spew your vitriol here, but probably you can’t vote and we’ll all be better off for it.

    But even If you are an active member who can vote, and you vote this down, what is your big plan? Who would negotiate this dream perfect deal for you? Certainly not the leaders of our guild after having recieved your “vote of no confidence.”

    Wow, there’s leverage for you in a negotiating room.

    And supposing you could find someone willing to negotiate on the guild side, who do you think they’d be speaking with? Certainly not Iger and Chernin who, in rather a trust busting move, didn’t bother to get a consensus among the six other companies, they just went off on their own and closed the deal.

    However, I can assure you if it’s turned down, they will not be back in the room. It will be Nick Counter.

    But of course you know all about that, since he clearly pays your salary.

    How much do you get for posting on here?

    I’m just curious.

    Comment by WGAWrss Sense — February 12, 2008 @ 8:40 am

  31. To those that want to stay on strike until SAG strikes and saves the day…

    who said SAG is going to strike?

    I keep reading this everywhere, but why is everyone so certain? After seeing how “successful” the WGA was, and the strife and grief this strike has caused the industry, I don’t believe SAG will bother.

    So you might as well vote “yes” today.

    Comment by JoeCool — February 12, 2008 @ 8:54 am

  32. We’re fighting fire with marshmallows. What we ought to do — and direct the Guild to do with its pension fund — is buy stock in the publicly traded communications behemoths, then show up at stockholders’ meetings to challenge and fire the corporate officers whose mismanagement forced the strike to happen. And I’m tired of having it called “the writers strike.” It was the AMPTP strike, but it was fought by writers. Blaming the WGA is like blaming an assault victim for prosecuting her attacker.

    Comment by Nat Segaloff — February 12, 2008 @ 9:27 am

  33. Tom Reynolds, gotta love it…well said.

    Comment by Dave — February 12, 2008 @ 9:58 am

  34. Gosh. When Mike Binder AND Chad Lowe come out of the woodwork, we all better buck up and listen.

    Comment by WGAE writer — February 12, 2008 @ 10:10 am

  35. To the small percentage of actual WGA members left posting here - don’t assume the vote is a foregone conclusion. Complacency is risky when there are still people who believe that voting this deal down would be anything other than disastrous. So get your ‘yes’ vote in, in person or by proxy - and let’s move on. Then see you all in three years, when I believe the real deal will be done. Amen.

    Comment by Paul — February 12, 2008 @ 10:15 am

  36. I’ll be voting “yes.” Not “YES!,” but “yes” nonetheless.

    First, though, the negatives. The things that keep me from using the Caps Lock key and hitting that exclamation point.

    These days, I work mainly in cable. So I’m troubled by the fact that the DGA increases in cable directing were not mapped to writing fees and the fact that the vaunted 2% of gross for ad supported streaming does not apply to original cable shows.

    Next, the failure to secure a DVD rate increase. I would have struck for this alone. I understand that, in the end, this may have been impossible to secure. I also understand that in time ESTs will probably cannabilize this market. Still, not getting a DVD bump (and not having favored nations if SAG pulls off a miracle and gets it for themselves) is a major disappointment.

    Now for the neutrals:

    I’m not thrilled by the 17-24 day window. Still, I’ve seen firsthand how free viewing windows can help a shows ratings, not to mention boost ESTs. For many, this is a huge negative. For me, it’s fairly neutral. I would have prefered a shorter window. We didn’t get it. C’est la guerre.

    An EST rate of .7% (.65% for films) is not terrific, but it is an improvement on the .3% rate the studios were insisting for before the strike. I recently developed a show that sold well on iTunes. I’ll let the checks be the judge of how good a deal this is.

    And finally, the upside:

    I feel that 2% of televison library streaming (including, from what I can tell, cable shows in the second year of streaming and beyond), 1.2% of feature steaming, 1.2% of online rentals, and New Media jurisdiction with separated rights are substantial wins. More than that, they’re the things we had to get from this strike to protect the future of the entire WGA.

    Sadly, I do not think we would have gotten these gains without a strike. In the end, we did better than I feared, worse than I hope. Our leadership did their very best. In some places they came up a bit short, but all in all they achieved their most important goal, they laid the groundwork for our future in New Media.

    And that gets a “yes” from me.

    Comment by Robert Wolfe — February 12, 2008 @ 10:40 am

  37. The deal:

    - same DVD residuals
    - reality and animation is still not WGA
    - promotional window for internet downloads/streams
    - the new media residuals are actually really crappy if you consider that on-demand via internet is likely to replace a lot of re-runs.

    So… People really striked for this deal? The rhetoric of the WGA made me believe they wouldn’t stop until they brought down all of the big corporations to their knees. Revolution was nigh, or at least those Youtube videos from the picket line told me so.

    This deal is a letdown.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 12, 2008 @ 2:39 pm

  38. “Brevity is the soul of wit.”
    Comment by WGA WRiter with Business Sense — February 11, 2008 @ 8:29 pm

    “…And cliche is a hole in it.” Get some better yarns, Tina - that dress is falling apart.

    I don’t have a IMDB profile, and the prospect of writing anything lame enough to make a plutocrat enough horse to hoof me into the Guild is but a beggar’s fanciful wish. I’m certainly no “Mike Binder.” But I beseech you fellow writers and entertainmentvolk: judge debaters and their arguments on their own stupid and ad hominem merits, not on the size of one’s IMDBalls. “Tom Reynolds?” The Tom Reynolds who was in one episode of Dynasty? I won’t rely on “Alex’s Secretary’s” profundity to determine the apex and zenith of my compensatory destiny, thanks. (For he is no Mike Binder either…)

    Nothing I’ve said herein is as odious as this name-dropping circle jerk. It’s as obnoxious as Eisner announcing the strike’s “done”ness while the meat was still marinating in the fridge. Each person plying this field, from loudest Mr. Anonymous to Google-readiest Reign Over Mike, has a stake and is owed a voice. Our priggishness or benevolence as storytellers and individuals earns us our reputation in this world, not our paycheck or our Internet credits. Enough of this piss vinaigrette.

    Granted, your obnoxiousness masks valid points. It’s time for this strike to end, to get BTL folks off of collection agency hit-lists and avert the nascent World’s Loudest Gassy Secretaries on NBC. I also agree with Jonathan Handel that forgetting DVDs was unfortunate on the WGA’s part, but that pudding was thrown in the pot hastily and years too late. But it’s not falling on your sword to admit this contract is not perfect nor great - since it also isn’t eternal. I trust those who have been through this before, who know better, to vote in my name. I hope you all realize it’s not just your gambit you’re throwing here. And I hope, when I get the chance, to make an equal or better ante someday.

    (Get thee gone, Nikki’s flu!)

    Comment by Seth — February 12, 2008 @ 3:57 pm

  39. WGAWrss Sense: Many of his spelling and grammar points were actually spot-on. Just because publishing house and newsprint standards have gone to shit (and they have) doesn’t mean you weren’t wrong (and you were). You know how I know you’re probably a working screenwriter in the WGA? Ho, ho. Again, it’s high time to temper the “My vote’s bigger and thicker than yours” rhetoric. And can we spell “philistines” correctly and mind the “I before E” rule? Let’s act like we graduated from high school.

    Robert Wolfe, you not only kick ass (DS9 for the win!) but you crystallized the pros and cons of this plan without calling writerly hopefuls like me useless shits for our concern. Kudos. I have to believe, have to desperately cling to the hope that this really did cement a future for the Writer’s Guild and other entertainment unions in this country. My abiding and overriding concern has been that I would never have a WGA to join, much less a fair contract. If you’ve seen any of the other strike forums on the Internet (and even at times here), there’s a huge anti-union sentiment from people my age. My generation was weaned on our parents’ formula and tasted the Kool-Aid still lingering therein (flavor: Reaganomics Raspberry). It’ll only do harm.

    Re: the promotional window, was the point ever made that the life span of Internet video is a mere fraction of that of any other medium? An Internet vid can be a hit, a t-shirt, a Halloween costume, and out in days. I just worry the studios will reap their e-cents easily and click “X” before the windows close.

    Thank you for your moment’s balance in this discussion about the deal with this deal.

    Comment by Seth — February 12, 2008 @ 4:18 pm

  40. 1) It turns out “miscapitalized” isn’t even a word. Well, I take that back. “Miscapitalized” is a word like “ginormous” is a word.

    2) “Apparant” is actually spelled “apparent”. Too bad for you the “a” and “e” buttons aren’t close enough together to form a proper excuse, right?

    So, honestly, how does it feel to be a writer with a god complex? Were you too busy reading grammar books as a child to hear the “don’t be an asshole” talk from your parents?

    Shame on you

    Comment by John C. (Not A Writer) — February 12, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

  41. To my good friend WGAWrss Sense (or whatever you call yourself now),

    I’m having such fun with the little flame war, so let’s take it one more round, and then I’m done.

    First off– No question- my vote of “no” is *not* going to be in the majority by any means, and I’m very much expecting a blowout in the “yes” direction. But I think we could have done better in the end than the contract we have, so my vote is more a registration of that opinion. [update: email says it passed 92%, so there you go]

    Second– I hate to be the one to tell you, but Strunk and White are still the go-to dudes on comma usage, even in 2008. My proposed usage of commas would hardly be considered “excessive”. It’s called standard English, my friend– sorry to humiliate you like that, but you gave me little choice. I am amused and flattered that you think I last “published prose” decades ago. Thank you.

    It is the paragon of douchery to go all Mr. Grammar on someone in a nasty screed itself littered with grammatical errors. (Oh, and since you were criticizing screenwriters and not “book writers”, I’ll note that the use of sentence fragments is fairly common in the screenplay format. Try reading one sometime.)

    Of course, it’s just as hypocritical to ridicule the idea of “shills” in one post, then in the next accuse me of being paid (by whom exactly? Nick Counter? Really?) for posting here.

    You claim I am giving a “vote of no confidence” towards the leadership- I bear no ill will AT ALL toward the negotiating committee, the board, or anyone else. I like them personally and admire them very much for their tenacity, drive, organization, and accessibility, and think they’ve done a great job throughout the strike AND have defended them many times under many circumstances. My problem is with the contract proposal itself and the rapidity by which we are being asked to vote for it. I, like so many others, didn’t appreciate the tone of inevitability at the meeting (you’re wondering how I was there since I’m not a member, right?), nor the short timeframe for reviewing the contract summary.

    I *still* have not seen the actual contract language. Have you?

    Comment by WGA Writer — February 12, 2008 @ 5:58 pm

  42. Alright.. despite saying I was going to leave this alone, and regardless of whatever your response may be, I’ve given it some thought… so let me say one final thing…

    Yes, I’d have liked to have seen the actual contract and had time to read through it in detail before the strike was called. And I wish the terms were much better and worry they will have some not-so-nice consequences long-term… But this whole thing is now over, and we’ll never know one way or the other what was possible and what wasn’t… So in the spirit of let’s-all-move-forward-and-kumbaya, I’m going to apologize for calling you a dick (and even a douche).

    The time for polarizing rhetoric is over. It’s time to deal with whatever happens next. And we did accomplish some very good things these three months… so massive props to the leadership for getting us all off our collective asses in the first place.

    And with that, I am out.

    WGA Writer

    PS- Nick Counter did not pay me for this one either.

    Comment by WGA Writer — February 12, 2008 @ 8:34 pm

  43. WGA Writer,

    I hope you and the other 7.5% aren’t feeling too sad.

    92.5% of us are tying one on, and thrilled to go back to our jobs.

    If you ever have one again, you’ll see how much fun it is.

    Good day, sir.

    P.S. I’m also voting for Obama, so it’s a good day for me!

    Comment by WGA WRiter with Business Sense — February 12, 2008 @ 9:42 pm

  44. “Better than I’d feared, worse than I’d hoped.”

    Good one, Robert Wolfe. Restoring my faith in writers in one fell post.

    Comment by tv editor — February 12, 2008 @ 10:35 pm

  45. John C-

    Thanks for the spell-check. But I think you missed my overall point- proper spelling and grammar are NOT some kind of litmus test for what makes a decent writer. (Not that I’m claiming to be that either. “God complex”? Hardly.) So I kinda think we agree.

    Cheers, and I’m done with this thread now.

    WGA Writer

    Comment by WGA Writer — February 13, 2008 @ 12:05 am

  46. WGA Writer,

    Your gracious apology is more than accepted and I extend mine in return.

    It’s over. Thank God.

    Comment by WGA Writer with Business Sense — February 13, 2008 @ 10:00 am

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