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	<title>Comments on: Gulp! Force Majeure Letters In The Mail</title>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/#comment-10668</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like book sales are going to go up. It's a good time to be part of the publishing industry.</description>
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		<title>By: Colonial One</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/#comment-10658</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonial One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with the WGA all the way... I just hope the force majeure clauses ends prematurely my favorite show right now, Battlestar Galactica... Ron Moore left a message in his blog that didn't sound very optimistic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the WGA all the way&#8230; I just hope the force majeure clauses ends prematurely my favorite show right now, Battlestar Galactica&#8230; Ron Moore left a message in his blog that didn&#8217;t sound very optimistic</p>
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		<title>By: Left coast viewer</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/#comment-10643</link>
		<dc:creator>Left coast viewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate that the writers, crew and now actors are taking such a financial hit, but like Middle America said, we viewers are with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate that the writers, crew and now actors are taking such a financial hit, but like Middle America said, we viewers are with you.</p>
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		<title>By: wackiland</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/#comment-10513</link>
		<dc:creator>wackiland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simplified point of view on force majeire for actors from someone who's been on both sides of the situation:

As far as the actors' contracts are concerned, there is no difference between a strike and an invasion of the US by a foreign country.  Anything outside of the control of the producers which stops their ability to produce or the networks' ability to broadcast constitutes force majeure.

There is actually a clause in most series regular contracts that sets out how long the producers have to produce the full season.  If that time period comes, then the producers have to pay the actor for the number of episodes in the actor's contract (whether or not they were produced). By suspending the contract through force majeure, the clock is temporarily stopped on this period. 

Once the producer decides to suspend the actors as a result of force majeure, their contracts will specify the exact terms under which the contract can be suspended without pay (which then puts the suspended actor in a position of being allowed to seek other work)or terminated.  

I could go on, but it would be speculation on my part, and there's already enough of that out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simplified point of view on force majeire for actors from someone who&#8217;s been on both sides of the situation:</p>
<p>As far as the actors&#8217; contracts are concerned, there is no difference between a strike and an invasion of the US by a foreign country.  Anything outside of the control of the producers which stops their ability to produce or the networks&#8217; ability to broadcast constitutes force majeure.</p>
<p>There is actually a clause in most series regular contracts that sets out how long the producers have to produce the full season.  If that time period comes, then the producers have to pay the actor for the number of episodes in the actor&#8217;s contract (whether or not they were produced). By suspending the contract through force majeure, the clock is temporarily stopped on this period. </p>
<p>Once the producer decides to suspend the actors as a result of force majeure, their contracts will specify the exact terms under which the contract can be suspended without pay (which then puts the suspended actor in a position of being allowed to seek other work)or terminated.  </p>
<p>I could go on, but it would be speculation on my part, and there&#8217;s already enough of that out there.</p>
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		<title>By: thrilled</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/#comment-10505</link>
		<dc:creator>thrilled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attention studios and networks....hold out for a year and bring the writers to their knees. You have thicker wallets than they do. After a year of being on strike, the writers will be begging on their hands and knees to be allowed to write. Maybe while they are on strike, the writers can take a business 101 class and figure out how to deflate their huge egos too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attention studios and networks&#8230;.hold out for a year and bring the writers to their knees. You have thicker wallets than they do. After a year of being on strike, the writers will be begging on their hands and knees to be allowed to write. Maybe while they are on strike, the writers can take a business 101 class and figure out how to deflate their huge egos too.</p>
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		<title>By: RationalThinker</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/#comment-10474</link>
		<dc:creator>RationalThinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Non WGA Writer:  No, there is not a time period before which you can call force majeure.  A strike is considered a force majeure and most contracts say there is automatic suspension in this case.

Why all the hysteria about how horrible this is and how it's a conspiracy?  As a few have said: this is business. Studios aren't going to pay writers who don't report to work. They're not going to pay actors or crew members who can't work b/c there are no scripts to film either.  Are most striking writers digging into their own pockets and paying their now out of work assistants?  I don't think so. The writers hoped to shut down production and they did; surely they knew that meant layoffs for everyone else involved in production.  

And of course the studios aren't going outright fire the actors.  Be real here.  At some point the strike will be over and they'e going to need those actors to finish the season.  If they fired those actors and the show couldn't continue, then a lot of writers wouldn't have jobs to come back to, would they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Non WGA Writer:  No, there is not a time period before which you can call force majeure.  A strike is considered a force majeure and most contracts say there is automatic suspension in this case.</p>
<p>Why all the hysteria about how horrible this is and how it&#8217;s a conspiracy?  As a few have said: this is business. Studios aren&#8217;t going to pay writers who don&#8217;t report to work. They&#8217;re not going to pay actors or crew members who can&#8217;t work b/c there are no scripts to film either.  Are most striking writers digging into their own pockets and paying their now out of work assistants?  I don&#8217;t think so. The writers hoped to shut down production and they did; surely they knew that meant layoffs for everyone else involved in production.  </p>
<p>And of course the studios aren&#8217;t going outright fire the actors.  Be real here.  At some point the strike will be over and they&#8217;e going to need those actors to finish the season.  If they fired those actors and the show couldn&#8217;t continue, then a lot of writers wouldn&#8217;t have jobs to come back to, would they?</p>
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		<title>By: not quite "middle" America (Emily from Mississippi)</title>
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		<dc:creator>not quite "middle" America (Emily from Mississippi)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it's true.  The writers have made such a great case for themselves.  The case itself isn't even that difficult to make.  In the great archetype, you are the underdog.  There's no amount of fake studio posts, or washed up agents that can claim you are all millionaires that can convince us otherwise.

I live in southern Mississippi and when Katrina happened and our power was out for three weeks, I kept wishing I could watch everything happening on tv, because then I would understand it - even though it was happening all around me.

When the strike first started, I kept hoping for the Daily Show to come back on the air, so Jon Stewart could explain it all to me.

We depend on you all to frame things, to break things down.  Even though you often create fiction, so much of it is based on real world events.  I never would have understood the enormity of Blackwater if I hadn't seen federal contractors dramatized on Jericho.  Law and Order, and it's many spinoffs, make me really think about hard issues to tackle like the death penalty and racism.  When I was much younger, Saved by the Bell showed me the dramatic effects of "caffeine pills" taken by studious teens.  Poor Jessie.

Sure, I might sound like the mindless tv consumer.  I know these are severly dramatized portrayals.  I know it's pure fiction and often very politically polarized.  But it works.  It feeds my mind and helps me understand the implications of things.  

I don't know how much clearer I can say it.  I heart writers.

(As a complete aside, please don't take what I'm saying as license to make overly "preachy" shows.  No offense to the particular writers, but after watching the post 9/11 West Wing episode where the characters spent an hour writing on a chalkboard how we shouldn't jump to conclusions and hate people, I never watched the show again.  Our minds might be numb but we aren't stupid.  Inform, but do not preach)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s true.  The writers have made such a great case for themselves.  The case itself isn&#8217;t even that difficult to make.  In the great archetype, you are the underdog.  There&#8217;s no amount of fake studio posts, or washed up agents that can claim you are all millionaires that can convince us otherwise.</p>
<p>I live in southern Mississippi and when Katrina happened and our power was out for three weeks, I kept wishing I could watch everything happening on tv, because then I would understand it - even though it was happening all around me.</p>
<p>When the strike first started, I kept hoping for the Daily Show to come back on the air, so Jon Stewart could explain it all to me.</p>
<p>We depend on you all to frame things, to break things down.  Even though you often create fiction, so much of it is based on real world events.  I never would have understood the enormity of Blackwater if I hadn&#8217;t seen federal contractors dramatized on Jericho.  Law and Order, and it&#8217;s many spinoffs, make me really think about hard issues to tackle like the death penalty and racism.  When I was much younger, Saved by the Bell showed me the dramatic effects of &#8220;caffeine pills&#8221; taken by studious teens.  Poor Jessie.</p>
<p>Sure, I might sound like the mindless tv consumer.  I know these are severly dramatized portrayals.  I know it&#8217;s pure fiction and often very politically polarized.  But it works.  It feeds my mind and helps me understand the implications of things.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much clearer I can say it.  I heart writers.</p>
<p>(As a complete aside, please don&#8217;t take what I&#8217;m saying as license to make overly &#8220;preachy&#8221; shows.  No offense to the particular writers, but after watching the post 9/11 West Wing episode where the characters spent an hour writing on a chalkboard how we shouldn&#8217;t jump to conclusions and hate people, I never watched the show again.  Our minds might be numb but we aren&#8217;t stupid.  Inform, but do not preach)</p>
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		<title>By: Non WGA Writer</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/#comment-10461</link>
		<dc:creator>Non WGA Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I thought the studios had to wait a certain period of time before they could declare force majeure.

So are the studios just changing the rules in the middle of the game as usual?

Second of all, the fact that the studios are suspending the actors without outright firing them (thus not allowing them to find work elsewhere for God knows how long) is NOT cool.

The big name actors might appreciate the hiatus but most actors (like most writers) don't have that much money.  Especially when they have their own strike coming up next year.

I'd expect that SAG will at least try to eliminate this clause from their next contract because, at this point, the only ones that benefit from this is the studio which is ditching overhead left and right while EVERYONE ELSE in town is out of a job.

Of course the studio bigwigs and network bigwigs will continue to make ten of millions of dollars each year like clockwork.

This is all very disgusting.

I'm beginning to thinnk that maybe it's a good idea that Hollywood is wiping itself clean.  Now the talent (i.e. not the suits) can figure out a way to make their own version of Hollywood where quality rules and people actually get paid for their work.

Let the studios die like the dinosaurs that they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I thought the studios had to wait a certain period of time before they could declare force majeure.</p>
<p>So are the studios just changing the rules in the middle of the game as usual?</p>
<p>Second of all, the fact that the studios are suspending the actors without outright firing them (thus not allowing them to find work elsewhere for God knows how long) is NOT cool.</p>
<p>The big name actors might appreciate the hiatus but most actors (like most writers) don&#8217;t have that much money.  Especially when they have their own strike coming up next year.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d expect that SAG will at least try to eliminate this clause from their next contract because, at this point, the only ones that benefit from this is the studio which is ditching overhead left and right while EVERYONE ELSE in town is out of a job.</p>
<p>Of course the studio bigwigs and network bigwigs will continue to make ten of millions of dollars each year like clockwork.</p>
<p>This is all very disgusting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to thinnk that maybe it&#8217;s a good idea that Hollywood is wiping itself clean.  Now the talent (i.e. not the suits) can figure out a way to make their own version of Hollywood where quality rules and people actually get paid for their work.</p>
<p>Let the studios die like the dinosaurs that they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Kenneth Noisewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's hoping the SAG lawyers start carving off nice lumps of flesh, methinks studios are overreaching...  At the end of the day audiences only care about what they see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s hoping the SAG lawyers start carving off nice lumps of flesh, methinks studios are overreaching&#8230;  At the end of the day audiences only care about what they see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: just a viewer</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/#comment-10455</link>
		<dc:creator>just a viewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to give kudos to this entire website.  When the strike began, most of the news I read/saw didn't explain the WHOLE story, and this site has explained a great deal of the history, red tape and realities for me.  Thank you.
That said, although I am so very tired of "bad TV", the unfair way members of the WGA are, and have been treated makes me support their strike.
The brilliant writing that is obvious from The Daily Show (and other great shows) that I am truly missing lately is proof that without talented writers, you have nothing.
Again, thanks for this great website and for giving us 
viewers a place to get the REAL news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to give kudos to this entire website.  When the strike began, most of the news I read/saw didn&#8217;t explain the WHOLE story, and this site has explained a great deal of the history, red tape and realities for me.  Thank you.<br />
That said, although I am so very tired of &#8220;bad TV&#8221;, the unfair way members of the WGA are, and have been treated makes me support their strike.<br />
The brilliant writing that is obvious from The Daily Show (and other great shows) that I am truly missing lately is proof that without talented writers, you have nothing.<br />
Again, thanks for this great website and for giving us<br />
viewers a place to get the REAL news.</p>
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		<title>By: dawgski</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawgski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you lawdawg76, Kit and "A".  This is the business.  None of you should be surprised by this. It's been discussed for weeks on DHD and other publications.  Now is not the time to act scared or confused.  The information is out there.  Understand it and learn how to fight with it.  Stay strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you lawdawg76, Kit and &#8220;A&#8221;.  This is the business.  None of you should be surprised by this. It&#8217;s been discussed for weeks on DHD and other publications.  Now is not the time to act scared or confused.  The information is out there.  Understand it and learn how to fight with it.  Stay strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sabre-rattlin' on both sides is pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sabre-rattlin&#8217; on both sides is pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think it is just business.
 
Would you pay for carwashes while your car is in the shop? No, so why should they pay for actors while they cannot act? It's force majeur, plain and simple.

Does any actor REALLY expect to be paid when they are not working? No, they are smarter than that(mostly). They will get the rest of their contracted money when they do the rest of their episodes.

Noone is fired, noone is cancelled, they're just not getting paid for work they are not doing. As far as not allowing actors to do other projects, well theoretically the studios would make money off those projects too, so it probably is negotiable. If there is solidarity though, why would actors want to do anything else while the writers are on strike?

I don't think it is as big a deal as anyone is making it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think it is just business.</p>
<p>Would you pay for carwashes while your car is in the shop? No, so why should they pay for actors while they cannot act? It&#8217;s force majeur, plain and simple.</p>
<p>Does any actor REALLY expect to be paid when they are not working? No, they are smarter than that(mostly). They will get the rest of their contracted money when they do the rest of their episodes.</p>
<p>Noone is fired, noone is cancelled, they&#8217;re just not getting paid for work they are not doing. As far as not allowing actors to do other projects, well theoretically the studios would make money off those projects too, so it probably is negotiable. If there is solidarity though, why would actors want to do anything else while the writers are on strike?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is as big a deal as anyone is making it.</p>
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		<title>By: anotherWGAmember</title>
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		<dc:creator>anotherWGAmember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Not quite middle America.  It's true, we do posit certain conspiracy theories in the WGA, but then, that's what we write about.  It's also what we live.  The studios have been manipulating the lives of their artists for almost a century now.  This is nothing new.

When you lie with dogs, expect fleas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Not quite middle America.  It&#8217;s true, we do posit certain conspiracy theories in the WGA, but then, that&#8217;s what we write about.  It&#8217;s also what we live.  The studios have been manipulating the lives of their artists for almost a century now.  This is nothing new.</p>
<p>When you lie with dogs, expect fleas.</p>
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		<title>By: lawdawg76</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawdawg76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Confused Woman,

1. There is no set standard of time for force majeure clauses. Though six weeks is a commom timeframe, it can and will vary depending on the type of contract.

2. The writers simply going back to work for one day would not reset the force majeure clock. It will require a settlement between the WGA and the AMPTP for the strike to be officially ended. 

Also, don't read too much into the force majeure letters being sent out. It's standard business practice to put their stakes in the ground. Just as the WGA will continue to keep the pressure on the studios and networks in every way they can, the studios/networks will keep up the presure from their side.

Expect both sides to keep fighting with every weapon they've got until the strike is over. Let's hope that happens quickly.

Sincerely,

Lawdawg76</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Confused Woman,</p>
<p>1. There is no set standard of time for force majeure clauses. Though six weeks is a commom timeframe, it can and will vary depending on the type of contract.</p>
<p>2. The writers simply going back to work for one day would not reset the force majeure clock. It will require a settlement between the WGA and the AMPTP for the strike to be officially ended. </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t read too much into the force majeure letters being sent out. It&#8217;s standard business practice to put their stakes in the ground. Just as the WGA will continue to keep the pressure on the studios and networks in every way they can, the studios/networks will keep up the presure from their side.</p>
<p>Expect both sides to keep fighting with every weapon they&#8217;ve got until the strike is over. Let&#8217;s hope that happens quickly.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Lawdawg76</p>
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