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	<title>Comments on: Agent Ari Butts Into Strike Ass-Backward</title>
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		<title>By: anoanonymousnymous</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5794</link>
		<dc:creator>anoanonymousnymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5794</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the support, Ari.  Will be happy to leave your agency as soon as the strike is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the support, Ari.  Will be happy to leave your agency as soon as the strike is over.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5319</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5319</guid>
		<description>Emanuel: "If you look at the amount of money that was at issue during the last writers' strike in 1988, I bet it was less than the amount the strike ended up costing all concerned."

Hilariously, and quantifiably, false.  The writers left much MUCH more on the table under the terms of their '88 CBA than they lost during the strike itself.  The reason the writers are more entrenched this year is that they don't want to repeat the mistakes of '88 (sorry if that sounds like a campaign slogan).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emanuel: &#8220;If you look at the amount of money that was at issue during the last writers&#8217; strike in 1988, I bet it was less than the amount the strike ended up costing all concerned.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hilariously, and quantifiably, false.  The writers left much MUCH more on the table under the terms of their &#8216;88 CBA than they lost during the strike itself.  The reason the writers are more entrenched this year is that they don&#8217;t want to repeat the mistakes of &#8216;88 (sorry if that sounds like a campaign slogan).</p>
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		<title>By: FuckDaAgents</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5310</link>
		<dc:creator>FuckDaAgents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody needs to remember that the agents are now producers, paid by the studios to work for the studios. That should really be all anybody needs to know. That, and a hyphenate should never, ever have a union position of power. That's partly what got everybody into this mess. 

TV and film need to go the way of the music industry: Independent. Technology now affords cheap production and independent distribution. The guilds need to form their own production and distribution entities and create a New Entertainment Order. It's just sitting there, waiting for them to do it.

I'm sure agents and producers are aware of this, but entire crews have been discussing the reality that they can produce and distribute the shows they're working on by themselves. If necessity is the mother of invention, it just might be that the AMPTP and the agents are making it necessary for TV to go indie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody needs to remember that the agents are now producers, paid by the studios to work for the studios. That should really be all anybody needs to know. That, and a hyphenate should never, ever have a union position of power. That&#8217;s partly what got everybody into this mess. </p>
<p>TV and film need to go the way of the music industry: Independent. Technology now affords cheap production and independent distribution. The guilds need to form their own production and distribution entities and create a New Entertainment Order. It&#8217;s just sitting there, waiting for them to do it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure agents and producers are aware of this, but entire crews have been discussing the reality that they can produce and distribute the shows they&#8217;re working on by themselves. If necessity is the mother of invention, it just might be that the AMPTP and the agents are making it necessary for TV to go indie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex-Endeavor Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5270</link>
		<dc:creator>Ex-Endeavor Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5270</guid>
		<description>Having worked with Ari, "attention span of a gnat" about sums it up.  And gnats shouldn't be weighing in on grown-up topics like a writers' strike...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked with Ari, &#8220;attention span of a gnat&#8221; about sums it up.  And gnats shouldn&#8217;t be weighing in on grown-up topics like a writers&#8217; strike&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WGA writer</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5266</link>
		<dc:creator>WGA writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5266</guid>
		<description>Residuals were originally designed as a deferment on salary, which you're taking on the backend.  It was a way to pay writers less up front.  While we WGA members were voting on whether or not to give strike power to the guild, the AMPTP was denying existing residuals.  One agent told me, "that was a negotiating tactic on their part."  To which I responded "bad tactic."  They were hoping to negotiate the status quo at a time when DVD's are going the way of the dodo, and they don't want to give residuals on electronic delivery.  The overwhelming corporate greed of the studios, which has already walked all over writers for years, requires a stand -- and now is the time to do it.  And this Ari Emanuel asshole can suck my balls.  Let's not forget the mass "firings" of WGA clients from Endeavor months back.  He's not on our side -- he's on his own side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Residuals were originally designed as a deferment on salary, which you&#8217;re taking on the backend.  It was a way to pay writers less up front.  While we WGA members were voting on whether or not to give strike power to the guild, the AMPTP was denying existing residuals.  One agent told me, &#8220;that was a negotiating tactic on their part.&#8221;  To which I responded &#8220;bad tactic.&#8221;  They were hoping to negotiate the status quo at a time when DVD&#8217;s are going the way of the dodo, and they don&#8217;t want to give residuals on electronic delivery.  The overwhelming corporate greed of the studios, which has already walked all over writers for years, requires a stand &#8212; and now is the time to do it.  And this Ari Emanuel asshole can suck my balls.  Let&#8217;s not forget the mass &#8220;firings&#8221; of WGA clients from Endeavor months back.  He&#8217;s not on our side &#8212; he&#8217;s on his own side.</p>
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		<title>By: Fun Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5193</link>
		<dc:creator>Fun Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5193</guid>
		<description>(Per Nikki's request, I identify myself as a non-guild writer, working on assignment, and a pro script reader.)

Emanuel's argument against the economic logic of the WGA position is that it will cost more to strike than the writers will gain. The problem with this claim, however, is that he is basing this explanation on the last strike, and only on his opinions of the last strike at that. He writes, "If you look at the amount of money that was at issue during the last writers' strike in 1988, I bet it was less than the amount the strike ended up costing all concerned."

"I bet?!"  So the entire crux of his argument rests on his own speculation?  Well, that's a convincing argument!

Now beyond that, there could also be the argument (even if his bet is valid) that if by striking and potentially costing more than is gained, the writers lose LESS than they would have by not striking, it would also still make economic sense. Not sure if I'm being clear about that, but if the losses due to a strike were less than the shortchanging that the writers face without a new CBA, then it makes good economic sense in that case as well.

Nice try, Mr. Emanuel. But it seems your only angle here is that if there is no stoppage of work, your company can continue to make its 10%. So only the lack of a strike would make economic sense, TO YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Per Nikki&#8217;s request, I identify myself as a non-guild writer, working on assignment, and a pro script reader.)</p>
<p>Emanuel&#8217;s argument against the economic logic of the WGA position is that it will cost more to strike than the writers will gain. The problem with this claim, however, is that he is basing this explanation on the last strike, and only on his opinions of the last strike at that. He writes, &#8220;If you look at the amount of money that was at issue during the last writers&#8217; strike in 1988, I bet it was less than the amount the strike ended up costing all concerned.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I bet?!&#8221;  So the entire crux of his argument rests on his own speculation?  Well, that&#8217;s a convincing argument!</p>
<p>Now beyond that, there could also be the argument (even if his bet is valid) that if by striking and potentially costing more than is gained, the writers lose LESS than they would have by not striking, it would also still make economic sense. Not sure if I&#8217;m being clear about that, but if the losses due to a strike were less than the shortchanging that the writers face without a new CBA, then it makes good economic sense in that case as well.</p>
<p>Nice try, Mr. Emanuel. But it seems your only angle here is that if there is no stoppage of work, your company can continue to make its 10%. So only the lack of a strike would make economic sense, TO YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: Gottasayit</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5163</link>
		<dc:creator>Gottasayit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5163</guid>
		<description>Nice, Ari, but here's the problem with your thinking. 

Even if your math is correct, and I doubt it is, strikes can rarely be measured in simple short term dollars and sense (please spare me the spelling correction. It's intentional). Yes, I know that's the currency you traffic in, but it's short sighted.

The fight is always about tomorrow. The fight is always about your brother/sister and his/her family. The fight is about principle.
That being said, this IS Hollywood so I know your eyes are starting to glaze over.

We can all add. In addition some of us feel. Deeply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, Ari, but here&#8217;s the problem with your thinking. </p>
<p>Even if your math is correct, and I doubt it is, strikes can rarely be measured in simple short term dollars and sense (please spare me the spelling correction. It&#8217;s intentional). Yes, I know that&#8217;s the currency you traffic in, but it&#8217;s short sighted.</p>
<p>The fight is always about tomorrow. The fight is always about your brother/sister and his/her family. The fight is about principle.<br />
That being said, this IS Hollywood so I know your eyes are starting to glaze over.</p>
<p>We can all add. In addition some of us feel. Deeply.</p>
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		<title>By: Money?</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5145</link>
		<dc:creator>Money?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5145</guid>
		<description>Mr. Emanuel (perhaps inadvertently) has part of it right – the strike is bad news for working writers who are making more than the minimums (and for the agencies who represent them like Mr. Emanuel's). Their already short careers are going to be shortened further right at a time when they don’t need to worry about WGA minimums but do need to worry about making as much as they can to sustain themselves long after they are no longer the flavor of the month.  So, why are even these writers so impassioned about getting a better deal?  People have long memories, and they know what it’s like to be shat on by the system.  The WGA agreement with producers guarantees a modicum of pay and dignity for the people who are starting out so that they can’t be taken advantage of.  Even with that guarantee, lots of writers have been and are been taken advantage of.  The fact that people who have already “made it” are also mostly on board with a strike is very telling.  Fairness and respect are core issues being overlooked in the rush to put dollar figures on everything.  That’s part of the reason why you see lots of rancor and anger coming out of the negotiations.  I anticipate a very long strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Emanuel (perhaps inadvertently) has part of it right – the strike is bad news for working writers who are making more than the minimums (and for the agencies who represent them like Mr. Emanuel&#8217;s). Their already short careers are going to be shortened further right at a time when they don’t need to worry about WGA minimums but do need to worry about making as much as they can to sustain themselves long after they are no longer the flavor of the month.  So, why are even these writers so impassioned about getting a better deal?  People have long memories, and they know what it’s like to be shat on by the system.  The WGA agreement with producers guarantees a modicum of pay and dignity for the people who are starting out so that they can’t be taken advantage of.  Even with that guarantee, lots of writers have been and are been taken advantage of.  The fact that people who have already “made it” are also mostly on board with a strike is very telling.  Fairness and respect are core issues being overlooked in the rush to put dollar figures on everything.  That’s part of the reason why you see lots of rancor and anger coming out of the negotiations.  I anticipate a very long strike.</p>
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		<title>By: Money?</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5141</link>
		<dc:creator>Money?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Gold (perhaps inadvertently) has part of it right – the strike is bad news for working writers who are making more than the minimums (and for the agencies who represent them like Mr. Gold’s). Their already short careers are going to be shortened further right at a time when they don’t need to worry about WGA minimums but do need to worry about making as much as they can to sustain themselves long after they are no longer the flavor of the month.  So, why are even these writers so impassioned about getting a better deal?  People have long memories, and they know what it’s like to be shat on by the system.  The WGA agreement with producers guarantees a modicum of pay and dignity for the people who are starting out so that they can’t be taken advantage of.  Even with that guarantee, lots of writers have been and are been taken advantage of.  The fact that people who have already “made it” are also mostly on board with a strike is very telling.  Fairness and respect are core issues being overlooked in the rush to put dollar figures on everything.  That’s part of the reason why you see lots of rancor and anger coming out of the negotiations.  I anticipate a very long strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Gold (perhaps inadvertently) has part of it right – the strike is bad news for working writers who are making more than the minimums (and for the agencies who represent them like Mr. Gold’s). Their already short careers are going to be shortened further right at a time when they don’t need to worry about WGA minimums but do need to worry about making as much as they can to sustain themselves long after they are no longer the flavor of the month.  So, why are even these writers so impassioned about getting a better deal?  People have long memories, and they know what it’s like to be shat on by the system.  The WGA agreement with producers guarantees a modicum of pay and dignity for the people who are starting out so that they can’t be taken advantage of.  Even with that guarantee, lots of writers have been and are been taken advantage of.  The fact that people who have already “made it” are also mostly on board with a strike is very telling.  Fairness and respect are core issues being overlooked in the rush to put dollar figures on everything.  That’s part of the reason why you see lots of rancor and anger coming out of the negotiations.  I anticipate a very long strike.</p>
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		<title>By: Average Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5139</link>
		<dc:creator>Average Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;
Nobody wants to strike. But there comes a time when you either take a stand, or make it very clear to the Companies that they can do whatever they want in the future, to anyone’s detriment. And trust me, they will.
&#62;&#62;

You know, I want to believe this. But it feels like the WGA has something to prove and they believe this is the only way to do it. Their concerns are extremely valid, but the powers-that-be have been itching for a strike for not just weeks or months, but years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;<br />
Nobody wants to strike. But there comes a time when you either take a stand, or make it very clear to the Companies that they can do whatever they want in the future, to anyone’s detriment. And trust me, they will.<br />
&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>You know, I want to believe this. But it feels like the WGA has something to prove and they believe this is the only way to do it. Their concerns are extremely valid, but the powers-that-be have been itching for a strike for not just weeks or months, but years.</p>
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		<title>By: Harley</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5127</link>
		<dc:creator>Harley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5127</guid>
		<description>It's not about chest thumping, it's not about lemmings off the nearest cliff.  It's about making a simple calculation, and facing some simple facts.  The latter?  The Companies do not want to give one penny more in residuals, not matter what the delivery system.  The former?  Will a strike force them to act reasonably in this regard.

Nobody wants to strike.  But there comes a time when you either take a stand, or make it very clear to the Companies that they can do whatever they want in the future, to anyone's detriment.  And trust me, they will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about chest thumping, it&#8217;s not about lemmings off the nearest cliff.  It&#8217;s about making a simple calculation, and facing some simple facts.  The latter?  The Companies do not want to give one penny more in residuals, not matter what the delivery system.  The former?  Will a strike force them to act reasonably in this regard.</p>
<p>Nobody wants to strike.  But there comes a time when you either take a stand, or make it very clear to the Companies that they can do whatever they want in the future, to anyone&#8217;s detriment.  And trust me, they will.</p>
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		<title>By: showrunner2</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5117</link>
		<dc:creator>showrunner2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Ari is referring to is the fact that his specific clients have long since ceased to be concerned with the minimums, so Ari assumes that we all make above minimum, because in his world, his people do.  And it's Ari's world right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Ari is referring to is the fact that his specific clients have long since ceased to be concerned with the minimums, so Ari assumes that we all make above minimum, because in his world, his people do.  And it&#8217;s Ari&#8217;s world right?</p>
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		<title>By: showrunner2</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5115</link>
		<dc:creator>showrunner2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm making 50 cents on the dollar that I made two years ago.  Is that due to the shrinkage of the market for comedy writers?  The drying up of residuals as series don't sell in syndication, or if they sell, they sell to a sister company of the original company that made/owned the show?  Don't get me wrong, I know that we make more then most people in this country, WHEN WE ARE WORKING, but the future is now, and new media is fast becoming current media and the things we want are fair, and we know how much pain a strike will cause everyone.  It is a terrible thing, but I don't know what else we can do at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m making 50 cents on the dollar that I made two years ago.  Is that due to the shrinkage of the market for comedy writers?  The drying up of residuals as series don&#8217;t sell in syndication, or if they sell, they sell to a sister company of the original company that made/owned the show?  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I know that we make more then most people in this country, WHEN WE ARE WORKING, but the future is now, and new media is fast becoming current media and the things we want are fair, and we know how much pain a strike will cause everyone.  It is a terrible thing, but I don&#8217;t know what else we can do at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Lets step back from the edge</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5112</link>
		<dc:creator>Lets step back from the edge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is political posturing about to trump good economics?  Maybe, maybe not.  But is political posturing about to trump sanity?  Absolutely!  Yes, the writers got less than we deserved in the last contract negotiations, and yes, everything the WGA is asking for is fair and reasonable, but that said… without much leverage – and the threat of strike is the best leverage we have – there unfortunately isn’t a hell of a lot we can do about it.  All the chest thumping and pissing matches in the world aren’t going to change that.  If a strike doesn’t hurt the studios much and in fact may help their bottom line in the short term, what does the WGA think they are going to accomplish other than tarnishing their image further and taking the rest of town down with them?  If a strike lasts longer than six months, then the only certainty will be the demise of the WGA.

As to whether or not Ari is representing his clients’ best interest…  Is only telling your clients what they want to hear serving their best interests?  I think not.

Lets stop with the inane chest thumping and make a deal or everybody loses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is political posturing about to trump good economics?  Maybe, maybe not.  But is political posturing about to trump sanity?  Absolutely!  Yes, the writers got less than we deserved in the last contract negotiations, and yes, everything the WGA is asking for is fair and reasonable, but that said… without much leverage – and the threat of strike is the best leverage we have – there unfortunately isn’t a hell of a lot we can do about it.  All the chest thumping and pissing matches in the world aren’t going to change that.  If a strike doesn’t hurt the studios much and in fact may help their bottom line in the short term, what does the WGA think they are going to accomplish other than tarnishing their image further and taking the rest of town down with them?  If a strike lasts longer than six months, then the only certainty will be the demise of the WGA.</p>
<p>As to whether or not Ari is representing his clients’ best interest…  Is only telling your clients what they want to hear serving their best interests?  I think not.</p>
<p>Lets stop with the inane chest thumping and make a deal or everybody loses.</p>
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		<title>By: DLW</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ari-butts-into-strike-ass-backwards/#comment-5109</link>
		<dc:creator>DLW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is talking about striking over minimums. In fact, no one really wants to strike at all. But if there is a strike-worthy issue it's compensation for the re-use of literary material delivered via new media. There is a number somewhere between the .3% the companies convinced the Guild to accept in '85 for the "new, unpredictable, expensive to manufacture VHS cassette market," and the 2.5% the guild is asking for the virtually cost-free delivery of product through downloads, streaming, etc. What people like Ari should be doing to help avoid a strike is getting in the middle and figuring out what that number is. Isn't that what he does for a living?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is talking about striking over minimums. In fact, no one really wants to strike at all. But if there is a strike-worthy issue it&#8217;s compensation for the re-use of literary material delivered via new media. There is a number somewhere between the .3% the companies convinced the Guild to accept in &#8216;85 for the &#8220;new, unpredictable, expensive to manufacture VHS cassette market,&#8221; and the 2.5% the guild is asking for the virtually cost-free delivery of product through downloads, streaming, etc. What people like Ari should be doing to help avoid a strike is getting in the middle and figuring out what that number is. Isn&#8217;t that what he does for a living?</p>
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