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	<title>Comments on: AMPTP Statement Recycles Same Old Shit</title>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-18932</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely ridiculous. It's interesting that they are resorting to mere insults to make their points. Because they're not actually saying anything. They're talking about the fact that the industry is losing money right now. Okay, DUH! Let's beat that dead dog a little more, shall we?!

They have the nerve to say that the writers are being unreasonable, etc., yet they don't actually give reasons for it. The AMPTP members are the freaking kings of spin! They are very careful not to tell us anything we don't already know, and more importantly, they seem to be lying as well as exaggerating the writers' position/actions. I'm sure the writers didn't "refuse" anything that they couldn't/shouldn't rightly refuse. They aren't being unreasonable.  They want what's owed, and these AMPTP jerks are the ones being unreasonable. Who are they to air shows, whether online or in repeats, and not pay the people who are responsible for writing the shows in the first place? Without the writers, these people wouldn't have their jobs in the first place, or at least they would not be nearly as successful.

GRR! There's just so much to say. I'm so angry at this letter, and the AMPTP in general. But I won't waste any more of MY time beating a dead horse. We all know the AMPTP members are being !@#holes, and we can leave it at that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely ridiculous. It&#8217;s interesting that they are resorting to mere insults to make their points. Because they&#8217;re not actually saying anything. They&#8217;re talking about the fact that the industry is losing money right now. Okay, DUH! Let&#8217;s beat that dead dog a little more, shall we?!</p>
<p>They have the nerve to say that the writers are being unreasonable, etc., yet they don&#8217;t actually give reasons for it. The AMPTP members are the freaking kings of spin! They are very careful not to tell us anything we don&#8217;t already know, and more importantly, they seem to be lying as well as exaggerating the writers&#8217; position/actions. I&#8217;m sure the writers didn&#8217;t &#8220;refuse&#8221; anything that they couldn&#8217;t/shouldn&#8217;t rightly refuse. They aren&#8217;t being unreasonable.  They want what&#8217;s owed, and these AMPTP jerks are the ones being unreasonable. Who are they to air shows, whether online or in repeats, and not pay the people who are responsible for writing the shows in the first place? Without the writers, these people wouldn&#8217;t have their jobs in the first place, or at least they would not be nearly as successful.</p>
<p>GRR! There&#8217;s just so much to say. I&#8217;m so angry at this letter, and the AMPTP in general. But I won&#8217;t waste any more of MY time beating a dead horse. We all know the AMPTP members are being !@#holes, and we can leave it at that!</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17439</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AB, I think it's because "producers" is right in the AMPTP's name, so most people just use the term. And saying "big media" makes it sound like the WGA is fighting some random entertainment concept, like "WGA against television!" or "WGA against greed!". I've tried to switch over to words like AMPTP, studios, execs, moguls, etc., but most people just aren't aware enough yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AB, I think it&#8217;s because &#8220;producers&#8221; is right in the AMPTP&#8217;s name, so most people just use the term. And saying &#8220;big media&#8221; makes it sound like the WGA is fighting some random entertainment concept, like &#8220;WGA against television!&#8221; or &#8220;WGA against greed!&#8221;. I&#8217;ve tried to switch over to words like AMPTP, studios, execs, moguls, etc., but most people just aren&#8217;t aware enough yet.</p>
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		<title>By: AB</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17393</link>
		<dc:creator>AB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that this is still getting called the PRODUCERS vs the WRITERS?  It's not, its BIG MEDIA vs the WRITERS.  The people in charge of the AMPTP are straight up Wall St executives reporting to the boards of gigantic publicly listed conglomerates with multi-billion dollar market capitalizations.  If they were once producers, they aint anymore.  They have morphed into dark corporate creatures that represent the interests of large companies.  Union busting is always at the top of that job description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that this is still getting called the PRODUCERS vs the WRITERS?  It&#8217;s not, its BIG MEDIA vs the WRITERS.  The people in charge of the AMPTP are straight up Wall St executives reporting to the boards of gigantic publicly listed conglomerates with multi-billion dollar market capitalizations.  If they were once producers, they aint anymore.  They have morphed into dark corporate creatures that represent the interests of large companies.  Union busting is always at the top of that job description.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17352</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AMPTP were doing much better BEFORE they hired the new PR team.

They write these things as if no one's's paying attention.  Somehow unbeknownst to them people ARE paying attention.  The public as well as the Industry.  We've all seen how these events unfolded day by day so when they try to convince us of their altruistic intentions it's laughable.

The emperor has no clothes.  Quick!  Somebody get them a mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AMPTP were doing much better BEFORE they hired the new PR team.</p>
<p>They write these things as if no one&#8217;s&#8217;s paying attention.  Somehow unbeknownst to them people ARE paying attention.  The public as well as the Industry.  We&#8217;ve all seen how these events unfolded day by day so when they try to convince us of their altruistic intentions it&#8217;s laughable.</p>
<p>The emperor has no clothes.  Quick!  Somebody get them a mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17328</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17328</guid>
		<description>I think it's time the AMPTP "shut up" and do us all a "favor" by going "back" to the "table" and negotiating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s time the AMPTP &#8220;shut up&#8221; and do us all a &#8220;favor&#8221; by going &#8220;back&#8221; to the &#8220;table&#8221; and negotiating.</p>
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		<title>By: WGA Writer with Business Sense</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17323</link>
		<dc:creator>WGA Writer with Business Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17323</guid>
		<description>I don't like the fact that I am now starting to feel sorry for the AMPTP because of how bad the writing is on everything they release to the public.

This little missive wherein they state over and over how much this whole thing is costing all the little people, the "working" people (as if Les Moonves et. al identifies with the simple working folk) is just...pathetic.

The moguls use the words "working" and "workers" repetitively in this statement, perhaps because this bizarre concept of "work" is so exotic and foreign to them.  After all, each of the 8 CEO's has enormous, pre-negotiated exit packages that actually create an incentive for not working, and failing.  Based on Les Moonves' new deal, I am sure that the combined exit packages of these 8 geniuses would pay for anything the WGA is demanding.  

 I admit however that it's a tough call which is a more tempting purchase, the firing of these 8 men, or the compensation of all of the "working" writers in Hollywood.

And then I go on their shiny stainless steel new website where the poor AMPTP (obviously struggling with having no writing talent at their disposal) has replaced their sidebar that previously stated, "The average working writer makes more than a surgeon!" with the new and improved, "The average working writer makes more than an family doctor."

Yes, you read that correctly, more than AN family doctor.

Oh stop it.  Now I feel sorry for you AMPTP and your third grade grammar skills.  Now I want to petition Congress to pass legistlation entitled, "No AMPTP mogul left behind."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the fact that I am now starting to feel sorry for the AMPTP because of how bad the writing is on everything they release to the public.</p>
<p>This little missive wherein they state over and over how much this whole thing is costing all the little people, the &#8220;working&#8221; people (as if Les Moonves et. al identifies with the simple working folk) is just&#8230;pathetic.</p>
<p>The moguls use the words &#8220;working&#8221; and &#8220;workers&#8221; repetitively in this statement, perhaps because this bizarre concept of &#8220;work&#8221; is so exotic and foreign to them.  After all, each of the 8 CEO&#8217;s has enormous, pre-negotiated exit packages that actually create an incentive for not working, and failing.  Based on Les Moonves&#8217; new deal, I am sure that the combined exit packages of these 8 geniuses would pay for anything the WGA is demanding.  </p>
<p> I admit however that it&#8217;s a tough call which is a more tempting purchase, the firing of these 8 men, or the compensation of all of the &#8220;working&#8221; writers in Hollywood.</p>
<p>And then I go on their shiny stainless steel new website where the poor AMPTP (obviously struggling with having no writing talent at their disposal) has replaced their sidebar that previously stated, &#8220;The average working writer makes more than a surgeon!&#8221; with the new and improved, &#8220;The average working writer makes more than an family doctor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, you read that correctly, more than AN family doctor.</p>
<p>Oh stop it.  Now I feel sorry for you AMPTP and your third grade grammar skills.  Now I want to petition Congress to pass legistlation entitled, &#8220;No AMPTP mogul left behind.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alonzodee</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17321</link>
		<dc:creator>Alonzodee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17321</guid>
		<description>This letter was written in the style of "Tokyo Rose" broadcasts, as portrayed in World War II movies. The effects are remarkably similar, still: Derision, belly laughs, sarcastic responses, and inspiring her audiences to win at any cost. 

Their parody tribute to our parents' and grandparents' generation must have cost nothing, which is what it accomplished. Imagine if the bigs had access to real writers, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This letter was written in the style of &#8220;Tokyo Rose&#8221; broadcasts, as portrayed in World War II movies. The effects are remarkably similar, still: Derision, belly laughs, sarcastic responses, and inspiring her audiences to win at any cost. </p>
<p>Their parody tribute to our parents&#8217; and grandparents&#8217; generation must have cost nothing, which is what it accomplished. Imagine if the bigs had access to real writers, though.</p>
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		<title>By: BramdoBJS</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17304</link>
		<dc:creator>BramdoBJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17304</guid>
		<description>One great point made tonight in SM: There's not even a shitty deal on the table to "cave into"!  It doesn't exist.

Unbelievable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One great point made tonight in SM: There&#8217;s not even a shitty deal on the table to &#8220;cave into&#8221;!  It doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Unbelievable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: shapeupTom</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17249</link>
		<dc:creator>shapeupTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Interestingly the newsletter also includes a piece explaining that prior administrations of our local never saw fit to establish a “strike fund’ to aid members in the event of a labor dispute."

Wow, that's really interesting, IATSE MEMBER, because some shills claiming to be from IATSE have come on here complaining about how unconscionable it is that we're getting money from the strike fund while we're, um, on strike. I couldn't understand what in the world they were talking about because I just assumed every union on the face of the Earth has a strike fund. And isn't the point of a strike fund to provide relief during a strike? Damn, Tom Short should be worrying about helping you guys out instead of playing kissy face with Les Moonves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Interestingly the newsletter also includes a piece explaining that prior administrations of our local never saw fit to establish a “strike fund’ to aid members in the event of a labor dispute.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, that&#8217;s really interesting, IATSE MEMBER, because some shills claiming to be from IATSE have come on here complaining about how unconscionable it is that we&#8217;re getting money from the strike fund while we&#8217;re, um, on strike. I couldn&#8217;t understand what in the world they were talking about because I just assumed every union on the face of the Earth has a strike fund. And isn&#8217;t the point of a strike fund to provide relief during a strike? Damn, Tom Short should be worrying about helping you guys out instead of playing kissy face with Les Moonves.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17246</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple fact that they couldn't come up with anything original says to me that they're just continuing b*&#38;lsh^t people into thinking they have a leg to stand on. They need to seriously consider less "press releases" and more talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple fact that they couldn&#8217;t come up with anything original says to me that they&#8217;re just continuing b*&amp;lsh^t people into thinking they have a leg to stand on. They need to seriously consider less &#8220;press releases&#8221; and more talking.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ - Writer</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17244</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ - Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17244</guid>
		<description>Yep, same old myopic, immoral, isolationist shit.

When will they ever learn...

Someone should teach Nick and his Greedy, Scroogy Bully Cronies what most preschoolers in the world have already learned...


"If you want to play fairly, you must learn to share with others".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, same old myopic, immoral, isolationist shit.</p>
<p>When will they ever learn&#8230;</p>
<p>Someone should teach Nick and his Greedy, Scroogy Bully Cronies what most preschoolers in the world have already learned&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you want to play fairly, you must learn to share with others&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: amptp thinks the public is dumb</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17232</link>
		<dc:creator>amptp thinks the public is dumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17232</guid>
		<description>once again, BTL people - if you want this strike to end NOW, direct the full force of your wrath and hardship at the AMPTP

the only thread they're hanging from is hoping you will pressure wga into caving

that will not happen - and you lose too if wga caves

meanwhle, while you struggle to pay your mortgages, AMPTP is off on luxury vacations, drinking champagne, laughing their old fat butts off at the absolute power they wield

wga remains here ready to negotiate, on the cold picket line, and struggling to pay bills like you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once again, BTL people - if you want this strike to end NOW, direct the full force of your wrath and hardship at the AMPTP</p>
<p>the only thread they&#8217;re hanging from is hoping you will pressure wga into caving</p>
<p>that will not happen - and you lose too if wga caves</p>
<p>meanwhle, while you struggle to pay your mortgages, AMPTP is off on luxury vacations, drinking champagne, laughing their old fat butts off at the absolute power they wield</p>
<p>wga remains here ready to negotiate, on the cold picket line, and struggling to pay bills like you</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17231</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is Tom Short actually representing?   Not me (I'm a film editor).  IA's stand on this strike just goes to show that the union bosses have more in common with the corporations taking advantage of their members than they ever will with us below the line workers whose dues pay their salaries.  I think we should have an IA members in support of the WGA march.  And while we're at it, we should find a way to get out of our "union" and join or create a REAL one...  

jan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is Tom Short actually representing?   Not me (I&#8217;m a film editor).  IA&#8217;s stand on this strike just goes to show that the union bosses have more in common with the corporations taking advantage of their members than they ever will with us below the line workers whose dues pay their salaries.  I think we should have an IA members in support of the WGA march.  And while we&#8217;re at it, we should find a way to get out of our &#8220;union&#8221; and join or create a REAL one&#8230;  </p>
<p>jan</p>
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		<title>By: pt</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17230</link>
		<dc:creator>pt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bizarrely, the AMPTP is trying to portray itself as the shy girl at the dance -- if it wasn't for that rough-handed WGA Communist Organizer/Rock Star (which is it, again?) blundering across the floor and so crudely trying to jerk her off the chair, why, she would have happily danced a slow one by now -- and even slipped the delicate tongue of her New Media Concessions into his gaping and insatiable maw.

He's just not being a gentleman.  He's not treating her like a LADY.  And that's why the AMPTP clutched her purse and fled from the gym.

If you're going to stonewall -- i.e. refuse to negotiate -- then shuddup about it.  That's what a stone wall typically does -- it sits there and waits.

It doesn't toss plaintive little notes to anybody who might be passing by.

Have some dignity guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bizarrely, the AMPTP is trying to portray itself as the shy girl at the dance &#8212; if it wasn&#8217;t for that rough-handed WGA Communist Organizer/Rock Star (which is it, again?) blundering across the floor and so crudely trying to jerk her off the chair, why, she would have happily danced a slow one by now &#8212; and even slipped the delicate tongue of her New Media Concessions into his gaping and insatiable maw.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just not being a gentleman.  He&#8217;s not treating her like a LADY.  And that&#8217;s why the AMPTP clutched her purse and fled from the gym.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to stonewall &#8212; i.e. refuse to negotiate &#8212; then shuddup about it.  That&#8217;s what a stone wall typically does &#8212; it sits there and waits.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t toss plaintive little notes to anybody who might be passing by.</p>
<p>Have some dignity guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/amptp-statement-recycles-same-old-shit/#comment-17227</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As noted prior, Tom Short is a total lackey for the AMPTP. Short's idea of "Negotiation" is to accept the first (and usually ONLY) offer of the AMPTP. Sure the AMPTP gives Short a few crumbs so that he can tout them to members (but leaving to the fine print of all the rollbacks that Short has also agreed to). 
 As it pertains to this strike, Short's support gives the AMPTP a cover so that they can appear 'concerned' for the BTL folks like myself. 

Like hell they care! Not!

It is a damned shame that IATSE does not have the backbone of the WGA to actually put up a fight for its members. The rollbacks continue unabated, and more will be agreed to until the spineless Short is deposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted prior, Tom Short is a total lackey for the AMPTP. Short&#8217;s idea of &#8220;Negotiation&#8221; is to accept the first (and usually ONLY) offer of the AMPTP. Sure the AMPTP gives Short a few crumbs so that he can tout them to members (but leaving to the fine print of all the rollbacks that Short has also agreed to).<br />
 As it pertains to this strike, Short&#8217;s support gives the AMPTP a cover so that they can appear &#8216;concerned&#8217; for the BTL folks like myself. </p>
<p>Like hell they care! Not!</p>
<p>It is a damned shame that IATSE does not have the backbone of the WGA to actually put up a fight for its members. The rollbacks continue unabated, and more will be agreed to until the spineless Short is deposed.</p>
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